Curse

Kraken The Mad · Nov 03, 2007, 12:26 AM // 00:26

has anyone else noticed how cruelly underpowered Seeping wound is? it gives 4 degen MAX, and that degen is conditional, and the skill is elite......... I think my point has been made, SW is probably the most underpowered elite in the game. seriously if you take conjure phantasm with only 3 points in illusion magic you can keep up 5 unconditional degen on your foe with only slightly higher cost, take an elite energy management skill and you dont even need to worry about the cost, plus now you can fuel that high energy combo you wanted to use. the only reson i can imagin why it is an elite skill is that it is the only hex in the critical stikes catagory, but if that is the case then poisoned heart better be made an elite too, its stronger than SW. but even with SW being so underpowered here is my suggestion on how to improve it.

e 5, c 1/4, rc 10
Elite Hex Spell. For 5...17...20 seconds, if target foe is suffering from Bleeding or Poison, that foe suffers -1...3...4 Health degeneration, and target foe and all adjecent foes lose 2...6...8 health per second.

this would give it a slight buff in that assassins could not break the 10 degen cap and allow for a slight bit of aoe dmg as well, makeing it finnally worth being an elite skill.

Holly Herro · Nov 03, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

It doesn't need buffing.

Use that skill, plus the bleeding and poisoning ones and you got a good combo. Use epidemic too and you got condition spread.

Skyy High · Nov 03, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by Kraken The Mad

the only reson i can imagin why it is an elite skill is that it is the only hex in the critical stikes catagory,

Well there you go. That's why it's elite.

Not that I don't agree with you, and I like that change.

legion_rat · Nov 03, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Holly Herro

It doesn't need buffing.

Use that skill, plus the bleeding and poisoning ones and you got a good combo. Use epidemic too and you got condition spread.

agreed sorry I play a sin all the time, and a/me is my prefered set. bleed,poison,blind epidemic works wonders add in SW on the healer and they are screwed in PvE. Pvp I dunno cause i never play it.

~the rat~

Drakken Breathes Fire · Nov 03, 2007, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Bleeding 60 (-3 degen, 6 health lost every second for duration of bleeding, lets say, in this scenario, 10.)
Poison 80 (-4 degen, 8 health lost every second for duration of poison, again for this example 10.)
Static -4 degeneration 160. (same as poison only this time it's 20 seconds.)

Total damage over the duration of the hex? 300 in 20 seconds.
Not including your other attacks for those 20 seconds.

Unless I'm missing something obvious, thats pretty BOSS damage for one skill.

BlackSephir · Nov 03, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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It doesn't need buffing.

It's a god damn elite hex that causes conditional 3, 4 degen, of course it doesn't need buffing. [/sarcasm]

@OP- don't even bother, sems like AN already has some sort of list full of forgotten skills. Seeping Wound and Wastrel's Collapse are few of the many.

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agreed sorry I play a sin all the time, and a/me is my prefered set. bleed,poison,blind epidemic works wonders add in SW on the healer and they are screwed in PvE. Pvp I dunno cause i never play it.

Wanna hear a little secret? Healing Hands wammo works in pve. Doesn't mean it's good.

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Unless I'm missing something obvious, thats pretty BOSS damage for one skill.

Last I checked, SW by itself doesn't cause Bleeding and Poison

Drakken Breathes Fire · Nov 03, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Last I checked, SW by itself doesn't cause Bleeding and Poison

Last I checked it says it needs one of the two or both to have it's maximum effect and one wouldn't be a very good assassin to just use it without. There are plenty of assassin skills, at any assassins disposal, to chain that cause the above conditions.

HawkofStorms · Nov 03, 2007, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by Drakken Breathes Fire

Last I checked it says it needs one of the two or both to have it's maximum effect and one wouldn't be a very good assassin to just use it without. There are plenty of assassin skills, at any assassins disposal, to chain that cause the above conditions.

It doesn't change the fact that you said it's "BOSS damage for ONE skill," which it's not.

I agree Sephir. People who think a conditional 4 degen is good... umm yeah. Just take a necro or mesmer (*gasp*) on your team who can cast the hexes for you to chain off of instead (you have 7 teammates, use them to synergy) of wasting your elite slot one something that could be replaced with something vastly better.

Ralphy Boy · Nov 03, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Drakken Breathes Fire

Unless I'm missing something obvious, thats pretty BOSS damage for one skill.

For how long? 20 seconds? Do you really think a hex or even a condition will stay on someone for 20 seconds? Uh...no...

So I guess Savannah Heat is also boss damage. Except it only needs 5 seconds and it's AoE.

RedNova88 · Nov 03, 2007, 01:48 AM // 01:48

I think it's fine. I used it all the time on my PvP sin and it always seemed to work perfectly as long as they didn't catch you in the process and remove all that pretty degen.

Shadowstep in. *hex of your choice* --> Black mantis--> Black spider--> Twisting fangs--> Seeping wound --> Dash out and leave them at Grenth's feet.

*shrug* I don't think it needs higher degen capability, but a secondary effect, maybe cracked armor?

Kraken The Mad · Nov 03, 2007, 02:53 AM // 02:53

Its amazing how people read half a sentance and not the rest..... anyway SW is an elite. it gives 3 Conditional degen for 20 seconds. conjure phantasm is not an elite, it gives 5 unconditional degen for only a couple of seconds less, and the only thing that makes it worst than SW (they both can be kept up eternally so duration is not taken into account on the comment) is that it costs a little more energy. so correct me if i am wrong, but since when are non-elites supposed to be more powerful than elites? those who say the "hex out of normal catagory" bit should relize that poison heart is a non-hex skill in an almost hex only catagory, and there are sword skills in tactics and melee attacks in schyth mastery (poitless because you would have to spec into 2 weapons attribs to use them with something other than a schyth) and so many non-elite out of catagory skills that it would be pointless to say that a single hex out of catagory is the reason it is an elite.
And as for it being Boss dmg, life transfer deals more overall dmg, is unconditional AND heals you, costs and casts the same but the only thing it is slightly worst at is recharge which can be overcome any nuber of ways.

Biostem · Nov 03, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

I think it's because the degen can be stacked on top of bleeding/poison/burning degen that it's consider elite. Even still, as you pointed out, phantasm can do that too.

Frankly, it should just be "For X seconds your next attack causes an additional Y pips of regen".

thedeadlyassassin · Nov 03, 2007, 03:44 AM // 03:44

/signed.

People say "oh it's good degen for both poison and bleeding". It's a horrible elite, why not become an A/Me and just have conjure phantasm on the enemy for -5 Degen?

It needs a buff, even more damage then what you said.

tenshi_strife · Nov 03, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

hahahaha omfg "its a good skill" thats great, i dont think people even look at other skills when they think of one skills effectiveness or even consider elite status.

oh well yes /signed it really does need help.

BlackSephir · Nov 03, 2007, 10:59 AM // 10:59

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Originally Posted by Drakken Breathes Fire

Last I checked it says it needs one of the two or both to have it's maximum effect

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Unless I'm missing something obvious, thats pretty BOSS damage for one skill.

I c wut u did thar.
Here's a suggestion. Go to the Isle of the nameless, cast SW on some dummy and see awesum BOSS DMG!11

Tyla · Nov 03, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

/signed
buffed sin skills gogo!

warcrap · Nov 03, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

its not underpowered.

zwei2stein · Nov 03, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08

fix:

add "whenever foe suffers new bleeding or poison condition, he takes 4...32" damage and that condition lasts 1..10 secconds less.

make it compress degen damage by cutting it short, but by applying missed damage instantaneously.

BlackSephir · Nov 03, 2007, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by warcrap

its not underpowered.

...
Okay, you convinced me.
I guess what other people were saying is pure bull- it's not 3, 4 degen, it's something moar.

Cool

Tyla · Nov 03, 2007, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by warcrap

its not underpowered.

[skill]seeping wound[/skill]<
[skill]apply poison[/skill][skill]poison arrow[/skill]
wow,degen from poison arrow+apply poison will work for ANY /R
spammable degen gogo unconditional too:O
even jagged strike alone>seeping